DISQUS

Barry Welford · 1 year ago

It's always good to rant, Patricia. If only mutual respect were more widely practiced, there would perhaps be less reason to rant. I hope you do get some rewards for having taken the tack that you have. Best wishes.

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Thanks Barry. I really appreciate everyone's support. To know that I have such good friends online is reward in itself. :)

Kimberly Bock · 1 year ago

I've read Violent Acres before also. I didn't like the site at first, but it grew on me in the same ways you speak of. Telling it like it is..

I'm sorry you have had to learn of the true negative nature behind the kinds of minds that show little care for anothers wellbeing. That's what it boils down to. Not marketing. Not making a dollar. Not friendship or loss of. But humanity.

You appreciate honesty so you are hurt. You've been cheated, stolen from and lied to for a dollar.

We need social change. Responsible marketers. Loyalty to a higher order before greed and MEisms...What's important in this immediate day and age is that we enforce change. Holding people accountable for their actions. No environment lasts long without order and the leverage is certainly not on the good guys side.

I too am one to voice my concerns with curse words, agitation, and unsavory reality checks. It's people like your client that equal the actions of some of the marketers I have bee griping about. Only concerned with whatever gets them to the next level. Period.

Have you ever seen the movie "The Devils Advocate"? Examples of the pressure to conform to what seems to be such winning successful positions to take in career, in life..It brings loss while you fight against it, but for the benefit of lasting gain.

I'd like to think it's not just a movie.

You're not the type of woman to let injustices taint your goodness. Me? Anyone who thinks I seek revenge is probably well on their way to expressing some sense. Does that mean their crooked butts aren't deserving of the exposure? Nope... There's not many people who have been receptive to that besides you and a few others that I call friends.

If you blog names and revenge, you may lose positions that care for your family. You can create changes in our environment by being supportive of marketers, SMers and volunteers for social change so this kind of thing brings repercussions upon those who think they can get away with their funk.

Affiliate yourself with those who will review them, names and everything, and expose them for who and what they are. It's a more sensible approach than losing even more of what you've worked for if they were to respond with equal vigor.

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Thanks Kim, this is food for thought. I might do that. I am going to take down links I set up for them and take a few other steps myself that will have subtle repercussions. They deserve it.

Neal Jansons · 1 year ago

Great post. I think it is important for clients to understand that there is a power in this profession, and that the worst thing you can do is screw over people whose job it is to create and maintain reputations. Sphunn.

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Well, if I'd followed my initial instincts, there'd be a small group of online businesses looking for reputation management services right now, lol.

Brett Borders · 1 year ago

Glad to hear you decided against 'exposing' people online. I'm not saying that tactic is never justified, but it's pretty heavy territory to be walking. As yea digitally sow, so shall ye reap - or something like that. I've seen some online reputation "counter-revenge" cases that would absolutely shock you.

My suggestion: try to bill in advance and don't begin work until payment is received - and then make darn sure you deliver high-quality work on time (or else you could be the victim of someone wanting to post their frustrations about you online - justified or not).

Doing collections is too stressful, in addition to intensive demands of internet marketing.

Good luck and thanks for reaching out!

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Thanks for commenting Brett. You are quite right--but I became a little too relaxed about my own payment methods. No more. :)

Lening · 1 year ago

I've had some problems with a client to. Didn't want to pay me for my services and no contract was signed. So, I had nothing. I wanted to expose him as a fraud, but my friends told me it was better to show him the draft. He didn't like it and he paid me the day after.

One thing I've learned, never work with someone you don't know, without a contract.

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Yes, well we've all learned that now Lening. :) Good idea to show him the draft too. Very conducive to good behavious, lol.

mark rushworth · 1 year ago

a-l-w-a-y-s take a deposit! and never do favours!

Marty Martin · 1 year ago

I always always try to get payment up front, but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way so I find that taking some sort of collateral works good too, but make sure it's something you wouldn't mind keeping if they don't pay or would be easy to sell. In-kind exchanges are nice too. Maybe your rug people can't pay you, but you could give out custom rugs for the holidays? :o) Try to work with these people, do they have something of value to you? Cash is always best but sometimes customers do have legitimate cash flow problems (granted, they shouldn't be contracting with you unless they can pay, but somehow you've got to get value out of the deal). That was a long ramble but good luck, it can be frustrating but take your friends' advice and save your own reputation by keeping it at the rant-level. :)

Jaan Kanellis · 1 year ago

I had a piece of garbage agency in Chicago that shall rename nameless that simply dissolved so they didnt have to pay me or other people they owed. They opened up a few months later under a new names. Garbage.

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Well Jaan it's nice to know that I'm in good company, lol. There do seem to be a lot of companies about that don't mind ripping people off. Perhaps we should start an SEOers Revenge club, eh?

BostonSEO · 1 year ago

I have a customer who's trying to stiff me. Sure it's small potatoes for a small job ($300), but it's the principal: I did the work, she loved the work, hasn't paid in four months.

Thing is, I still have access to her hosting account and PPC accounts. I'm contemplating changing the password on the hosting account and yanking down the site until she pays me.

Any thoughts?

Patricia Skinner · 1 year ago

Well my concern would be that the client could then sue you because you're preventing her from having access to her website, which is probably worth considerably more than the money she owes you. It's not fair I admit, but that's most likely the case. You'd have to ask legal advice on that one though. Anyone else any thoughts? I think the small claims courts are your best option, as others have mentioned.

Todd · 1 year ago

If Karma doesn't get them, put them on www.uradeadbeat.com. Not only do they get posted for everyone to see, but if you have their email and mailing address, they receive a post card in the mail, along with an email verification welcoming them to the deadbeat list!

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Train Amsterdam · 11 months ago

Hi Patricia, do you have some more time?

Patricia Skinner · 11 months ago

Hi. More time?